During the recent annual meetings for biblical studies scholars held in San Antonio, Dr. Heiser interviewed a number of scholars about their recent work. In Part 3 of those interviews, we hear again from David Burnett, a familiar voice on the podcast, and meet Dr. Lynn Cohick (New Testament professor at Wheaton College) and Dr. Peter Gurry (New Testament textual critic, blogger at the Evangelical Textual Criticism blog).

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Recorded live at SBL, Part 3 brings three punchy conversations. David Burnett extends his 1 Corinthians 15 research by reading Deuteronomy 4’s “no images” through the furnace motif—Israel being made God’s image—then links Luke’s “exodos” to resurrection transformation and offers a provocative Romans 1 reading in light of Watchers + Sodom traditions.
Lynn Cohick previews Christian Women in the Patristic World, showing how women exercised influence and authority—from Thecla to Perpetua and Felicitas, Helena, and Macrina—even when surviving sources mute their voices.
Peter Gurry then walks through the Evangelical Textual Criticism community, CSNTM digitization, INTF catalogs, paleography, and the CBGM, closing with clear starter reading and a level-headed take on the KJV debate.

Timestamp guide (mini-interviews)

00:00–00:45 — Intro @ SBL
Trey and Mike set up Part 3 and preview today’s guests: David Burnett, Dr. Lynn Cohick, Dr. Peter Gurry.

00:45–~09:30 — Interview 1: David Burnett — Deut 4, “image,” and 1 Cor 15; Romans 1 & Watchers

• Deut 4’s “no images” (eikōn/“image”) and the furnace motif reframed: Israel is being made God’s image; link to 1 Cor 15’s transformation (“bear the image of the heavenly man”).

• New Exodus/Exodos theme (Luke’s Transfiguration = Jesus’ exodus) → death leading to glorification, not idolatry leading to death.

• Romans 1 re-read: “women exchanged natural relations” may echo Watchers traditions (Testament of Naphtali) before the men-with-men clause—pairing Watchers + Sodom in judgment motifs.

~10:00–~24:50 — Interview 2: Dr. Lynn Cohick — Christian Women in the Patristic World

• Scope: 2nd–5th c. Christian women; influence, authority, legacy; book co-authored with Amy Hughes (Baker Academic).

• Surprises: wealthy Roman women funding works/monastic life; women active in theology and grassroots ministry.

• Exemplars: Thecla (Acts of Paul & Thecla), Perpetua & Felicitas; asceticism as shared male/female ideal; long-term impact.

• Reading women in sources largely written by men—doing “detective work” to recover presence and influence; Macrina shaping Gregory of Nyssa & Basil.

~25:00–~49:15 — Interview 3: Dr. Peter Gurry — ETC blog, CSNTM work, CBGM, and the KJV debate

• Background: PhD (Cambridge), Evangelical Textual Criticism blog (Tyndale House); contributors with shared high view of Scripture yet diverse methods.

• With CSNTM: digitizing Greek NT MSS; clarifies counts and how uncatalogued items surface in big libraries; role of INTF.

• Paleography & dating; how we relate manuscripts; the CBGM (Coherence-Based Genealogical Method) and why large-scale data reshapes NT textual criticism.

• Byzantine stability vs early variability; why KJV-only arguments fail (late base MSS; earlier evidence & internal criteria favored).

• Starter reading: Wegner (OT+NT), Metzger & Ehrman, D.C. Parker; note on Maurice Robinson (Byzantine priority ≠ KJV-only).

~49:15–end (~50:30) — Wrap-up & teaser
Quick debrief; tease Part 4 with initials “N.T.” for the next guest.